> > BNSF crew changes:> * Denver east: used to be in Akron, CO, but I think they moved it all> the way out to McCook, NE. When they eventually finish their Blair and Clinton projects(not any time soon) I expect a push tochange the crew districts. According to Knutson, taking time off for a doctor or dental appointment can cost an employee several points. It's grown enough that engineer's need about half of that, even less for conductors. Raton, NM??? The 100 mile day was based on how far you would travel in 8 hours at a speed of 12.5 mph. I have to look thru some stuff, but I think they used to change at Melstone, MT. > * Denver west (UP trackage rights): do they go all the way to Grand> Junction or do they change at Bond again like UP does? So if you want to rub elbows with train crews while you travel, the Oak Tree is the place to do it. from Calgary to Medicine Hat, AB, created in 1910. While it may not save the railroad money on wages, it saves them on the cost of benefits. Jeff:Thanks for the explanations. Members of both unions from all involved railroads are welcome to attend. BNSF Editor CTC Board Magazine [ Reply To This Message ] Date: 01/10/02 19:00 Thanks Author: dbm. UP is Distributive Power only.BNSF is all trains over 8000 tons and some under that.No distributive power. Back to CP for a moment, Calgary-Edmonton, AB is broken into two Sub's.,Red Deer and Leduc, totaling about 180 miles. "It was a way to limit time off even though they didn't have a lot of people and they needed a lot of people," said Knutson. Thanks in advance for your help.Ken Stitzel wrote: You do not have permission to delete messages in this group. http://www.oaktreeinn.com/Hotels is a current list of hotels. BNSF Railway's first-in-the-industry Tribal Relations program seeks to build and strengthen ties . BNSF said more than 50 percent of train crew employees work less than 40 hours on average. In Iowa, they started running Atkins, IA on the Council Bluffs main and Nahant (Davenport) on the KC line. ), Yes BNSF uses helpers if they cant meet the UP HP per Tonrequirements. We didn't linger too long for obvious reasons. Then Casper and Greybull. Amarillo is a crew change point, so there is a lot of activity along the city's rail lines. TEXAS, USA On Tuesday, a federal judge in Fort Worth granted BNSF, one of the nation's largest freight companies, a temporary restraining order, blocking nearly 17,000 employees from striking. Same with RR'ers in TEY service. For instance, if I took off every other Sunday, no other days, I would be dismissed by the end of the year.". They also handle (normally) the salad shooters. Same with RR'ers in TEY service. * Denver north: Cheyenne, WY, then . It takes a lot of workers to keep the railroad running efficiently. Approaches to the bridge had to stay under the ruling grade for the area of 1.4%. Enjoy moving trains in breathtaking scenes across the country, all year long. (Trains that continue to Ft Worth changenext at Childress but the Dalhart to Childress and Childressto Ft Worth segments are also over ambitious. Currently, it's possible to make Clinton and tie up within 6 hours on duty, on a coal train no less. I'm sure that longer crew districts in other places are coming Our community is FREE to join. In the early 1970's the law was changed to 14 hours and subsequently todays 12 hours. Every scheduled train from First Class passenger trains to Fourth Class freights had a scheduled stop for water at Bassano. No, they never had aProviso- Boone long pool. I wish I had asked a trainman how the pay was calculated, since some of the turn arounds were short. Many times after the adoptionof the 130 mile day, the terminals didn't change. Harvey and Enderlin, ND; Glenwood, Thief River Falls, and Minneapolis/St. Classic Railroad Scenes: Railroads at Work. Yermo isn't much more than a wide spot in the road that the I-15 bypassed. Highlighting our commitment to safety, service, communities and our heritage. Bassano was located at almost the exact halfway point on the Sub. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Retirees may not work at BNSF any longer, but many are active in their communities and play an important role as unofficial ambassadors for BNSF. Tell your friend that all trainsstop in Rawlins, as the Main Line Fuel Rack is located there. The Clinton-Mo Valleylong poolhandles mostly intermodal trains. She's based in Gillette and works mostly on the route between Gillette, through the Powder River Basin to Guernsey, a crew change point. No? "I can't give you a name of anyone that likes the policy whatsoever," Knutson said. It's not just bad news for workers. (While not directly owned, supposedly the ownership has ties to the UP.) "We used to be able to take five weekdays, two weekend days a month off at our discretion and since the implementation of the Hi-Viz policy," she explained. Goodson said the previous attendance policy wasn't nearly as strict and allowed more time for family events and time with her three children. Welcome to the BNSF Railway at Edgemont South Dakota website. 237 0 14. Her husband is also a conductor. I thought they also did a UPcrew district map too, but I may be thinking about a map on the UP company website. Every scheduled train from First Class passenger trains to Fourth Class freights had a scheduled stop for water at Bassano. No, I think Rawlins is still very much used for everything but"shooters" (hotshots), which go all the way to Green River without achange. It is approximately 185 miles long, which was a huge accomplishment back then. Zug, I still enjoy talking with railroad employees, but I am very careful about initiating conversations. Since 2001, BNSF has eliminated districts running to Eugene, Ore., Helena, Mont., Quanah, Texas, Mobile, Ala., and International Falls, Minn. Model Number: 24V-X2-SB18-XR Item Height: 19.960 Item Width: 20.980 Item Length: 23.820 Item Weight: 38.4500 UPC: 0842470128637 EAN: 0842470128637 Brand: Snow Joe Type: Snow Blower Battery Life: 50 min Clearing Width: 18 in Power Source: Battery Color: Blue Voltage: 24 V Model: Snow Joe 24V-X2-SB18-XR MPN: 24V-X2-SB18-XR Sterling, then Guernsey for most trains, Alliancethen Edgemont, Gillette, Sheridan if they are going that way. We do not sell train simulator software. For 170 years, BNSF has played a vital role in building and sustaining this nation's economy. They seem to use the Williard crews for the long distance intermodals (from east coast) and Williards for the manifests and commodity trains. A train in the long pool uses one less crew than if it goes to the short pool. For some reason, I always thought crew change points were determined by how long it took to get there. But completing the historic route wasn't the last piece of the puzzle. "This policy, that they have now, cut that in half and in half. Nothing against the over-eager railfans, but the only thing we wanted to think about was sleep. Don't forget BNSF's Southwest Chief line. Railroad systems are divided into subdivisions, usually between crew change points. I'd wonder if the average speed of the slowest Milwaukee freights on the Trans-Missouri Division during the first generation diesel era would have been more like 25 MPH as opposed to 12.5 MPH. At the time we were having trouble going from Boone to Clinton in 12 hours. Remember, in the time when the basic crew agreements and the 100 mile day were originated,when after the implementation of the Hours of Service laws - those laws had a maximum on duty time of 16 hours - 16 hours for a 100 mile run equals 6.25 MPH. During April many coal mtys will govia Cheyenne to the Orin line while the tunnel west of Guernseyis being day lighted. Under the new policy, which is slated to. Lately, they are alsohandling most of the auto racks and one Q manifest. BNSF's Public Projects team is the point of contact for the communities we serve when they desire to deliver infrastructure projects that cross, intersect, or parallel BNSF's network in some way. Re: BNSF Crew Change Points Author: BN7149 The railroad is run as an East-West route. Anyone on the seniority district can work the pool, assumingthey have the seniority. There are quite a few who live in central Iowa and drive 200 miles to work the pool. All in all, it is an interesting aspect to the industry. Official site: Where are the crew change points between Belen and Barstow, and are Belen and Barstow themselves also crew change points? Don't worry, we won't send you too many. Back when there were foru passenger trains each way on the division,except for the City of New Orleans, passenger train crews changed southbound (the City train crews changed northbound), ran to New Orleans (Canton), then ran through McComb to Canton (New Orleans), and then back to McComb, covering 400 miles in 24 hours (and then had 24 hours off). With only one curve sharper than 3 degrees between the two points, the track alignment was well suited for 50 to 60 MPH freight running - though track maintenance may have been another story. U.S. and global economies rely on rail, and BNSF is a vital link in the global supply chain. Curiosity about Melstone got to me and found out that it now has a population of 96, down from 136 in 2000. Curiosity about Melstone got to me and found out that it now has a population of 96, down from 136 in 2000. Sign-up for email today! Here we explore how our investments and innovations enable the reliable and efficient delivery of freight. Some railroads do have expanded crew districts. "The attendance policy we had in the past, it would allow basically any person to take two weekend days and five weekdays per month off," he explained. No? Forsome railroaders getting in on the other end, actually either end, the first thing they think about is beer. "It is important to note that there has been no change in how much time off an employee receives. Many owe their existence to it. November 3, 2022 INDEPENDENCE, Ohio, (Nov. 3, 2022) The BLET and SMART-TD will host a joint town hall meeting next week to discuss the tentative national rail agreement. At times they will change within minutes of stopping at the "crosswalk" where employees cross the mainline, and at other times the incoming crew will "tie down" their train on the main-line and the train will wait for literally hours on the main for the outgoing (new) crew. If the district is too long tor its conditions of traffic and geography, the crew hogs out short of its final terminal, and is dogged or patched by a relief crew (idiom varies) two crews have been paid a days wages to do what was supposed to be the work of one. Or, did they get rid of it because there was too much congestion / delays east of Clinton? KINGMAN is an AMTRAK only crew change. - Erik. Nothing against the over-eager railfans, but the only thing we wanted to think about was sleep. Don't know if he's going to range all the way up to PRB coal country or west into Utah. Garrett - Chciago is about 150 miles while Williard - Chicago is around 280. I haven't heard of this in a long time, so maybe this was a failed idea. I'm sure that longer crew districts in other places are coming Our community is FREE to join. Apparently extending crew districts is in E. Hunter Harrison's bag of tricks, which as far as I know now, he hasn't yet pulled out. Recognizing our contribution to our nation's economy, we work to listen and respond to customers' needs, maintain strong corporate governance, provide value to investors, and strategically invest to keep our rail network strong. Although you may have to be a subscriber to access it, there is a map of BNSF crew districts in the Trains'Railroad Reference section under railroad maps. One of my easterly buddies is coming to Colorado for some extensiverailfanning this spring. Just west of Minot, the train rolled over the 1792-foot-long, 117-foot-tall Gassman Coulee Trestle, one of many high steel bridges on the GN. Frisco always changed freight crews at Newburg, MO but my grandpa as passenger conductor changed at Monett, MO, which was farther down the line. When crews are tight on either pool at either end, they use crews out of either pool. The home terminal is the place where the crew normally goes to work; usually, its where the crew members live. They also handle (normally) the salad shooters. Going the extra mile for our customers and our communities. "The Hi-Viz was only partially responsible for them getting people back. Only the Clinton - Missouri Valley long pool. Here we focus on topics that illustrate our commitment to where we live and work. I doubt many trains could've made the extra 70 or so miles to Rochelle on their hours. "I would love to get whoever made this policy happen or said okay to it to come and join us for a week on how it is day to day," she urged. Now, nearly 100 percent of the route is double-tracked; only two bridges remain single-tracked along the route. He said the policy is very stringent. 1,907 177 39. The Route of the Broadway Lion The Largest Subway Layout in North Dakota. Things changed since Sept 11, 2001. I think the Miles City to Harlowton run was one of them. The additional high iron allows 70-mph intermodal trains to leap ahead of slower-moving merchandise and unit trains at crew-change points, which BNSF says will alleviate congestion, boost average train speed, and improve service on the busiest intermodal route in North America. I think the Miles City to Harlowton run was one of them. BNSF 1859-345 hump engines. For pay purposes,a basic day is 130 miles, up from the original 100 mile day for freight. Someone emailed this info to me. It is approximately 185 miles long, which was a huge accomplishment back then. I guess you're right. The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of. Back when there were foru passenger trains each way on the division,except for the City of New Orleans, passenger train crews changed southbound (the City train crews changed northbound), ran to New Orleans (Canton), then ran through McComb to Canton (New Orleans), and then back to McComb, covering 400 miles in 24 hours (and then had 24 hours off). BNSF doesnt just move freight; we connect with people and communities along the way. The project in Amarillo was completed in early September. Ideally, a crew goes on duty, gets its paperwork, gets out of the yard, reaches its destination, and ties up comfortably within the maximum 12 hours on duty allowed by the federal hours-of-service law. Learn more about how the Amarillo project enhances the entire Southern Transcon in this video: Please subscribe to receive occasional email newsletters keeping you in the loop about BNSF and customized for where you live. The Milwaukee Road in the 1970s combined orchanged some crew districts, both on the Puget Sound extension and elsewhere. I just remembered, while sitting in the Oak Tree Inn at Clinton, IA, that they are the UP's contracted provider for crew lodging away from home. BNSF crew changes:* Denver east: used to be in Akron, CO, but I think they moved it all the way out to McCook, NE. Members enjoy 15% off any purchase in our store. Then in 1972 (after the HOS was changed to 14 hours, Dec. 26, 1970) the company decided to open up an inter-divisional run fromLA to San Luis Obispo), and have us do it in 14 hours, which really worked good. jeffhergert Also Portal, ND and Noyes, MN, but that is because thay are also Country change points(Canada/US border). Back to CP for a moment, Calgary-Edmonton, AB is broken into two Sub's.,Red Deer and Leduc, totaling about 180 miles. BNSF Crew Change - Free download as PDF File (.pdf), Text File (.txt) or read online for free. The Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway (BNSF) is the largest Class I railroad in the country and is one of the two major freight railroads in Wyoming. . About ten years ago the railroad proposed moving almost everyone from Boone to Rochelle. "I honestly hope that this isn't going to be the new normal because people are walking out faster than we can hire them on," said Goodson. Don't miss this look at the history of America's most influential builder of locomotives. Intermodal traffic ships in containers or trailers and is, in many cases, high-priority. Good threads on this string. BNSFs Public Projects team is the point of contact for the communities we serve when they desire to deliver infrastructure projects that cross, intersect, or parallel BNSFs network in some way. ), then Ogden? Fully responsible for all aspects of the North American operation including profit and loss, contract negotiation, customer retention, business development, sales, marketing, process management,. But I hear it is coming. Thanks again,everyone! Something unheard of even 5 years ago, just before the bottom dropped out. The reason why so many (former complainers included) drive to workit, it's set up to work about 8 round trips per month and pays good. The 100 mile day was based on how far you would travel in 8 hours at a speed of 12.5 mph. I though I saw articles in the mainstream press in the '80's that they were extending crew districts from east of Spokane, WA, across the Idaho panhandle, and over onto the flatland's of Montana. This doesn't mean that runs were only 100 miles then or 130 miles now. Not every crew change point has one (Mason City, IA may be getting one in the future) but except for the few in the eastern US, all are UP crew change points. Terms Of Use | Notice at Collection | Privacy | 2022 BNSF Railway Company. But she added that incentive ultimately rewards those who take little, if any, time off and who don't need the points anyway. I have to look thru some stuff, but I think they used to change at Melstone, MT. BNSF Crew Change Points (Transcon and Hi Line). Some railroaders have said the policy incentivizes employees to work while sick or tired, something that Goodson can very much relate to. Usually though, a long pool crew on trains that normally go to the short pool will still change out at Boone and theLP crew will continue on to the other end in a van. Please have a look here to see what other groups are saying about BNSF Railway. A decline in coal traffic, fewer employees when rail traffic began to rise, and the desire to operate the railroad with fewer employees are all contributing factors, he says. At Galesburg we have 2 westbound stack trains, a couple of eastbound stackers, eastbound P train, plus the roadrailers, and vehicle trains. For instance, Sanford, Florida, was the south end of one railroad and the north end of another; both roads were absorbed by the Plant System--which went into the Atlantic Coast Line. Open navigation menu Lowest Point : 456 ft @ Topock, AZ. Maybe an old BN expert can help us here, but didn't BN change some crew districts in Montana to run up to 450 miles? No, they never had aProviso- Boone long pool. BNSF is forever proud of its heritage and history, and we combine that with a never-ending drive to explore new technologies and approaches where appropriate to enhance safety and efficiency. Just like the highway you drive on during your morning commute, the rail route needed to continue to expand. From then to now trains on this subdivision are crewed by running trades employees whose home terminals are at Toronto and Smiths Falls. Some railroads do have expanded crew districts. Since crews are usually pooled on a first-in, first-out basis, everyone still has the same opportunity to rack up miles and thus pay. Garrett - Chciago is about 150 miles while Williard - Chicago is around 280. showing freights running at 50+ MPH between Miles City and Harlowton, which would put the start to stop time at a bit over 4 hours. BNSF Railway, Monon Route passenger trains photo gallery. LION *knows* that Mandan is a crew change point, but Dickinson is so no longer, and the next crew change point is Glendive, MT. Here GN 441's train entered the Glasgow Sub of the Montana Division; only 145 more miles to Big Sky Country. Major stations: Barstow, Ash Hill; Yards: Needles; Crew Change Points: Needles, Barstow Junctions: Daggett (UPRR Cima Sub) MP 739.6 Highest point: 2187 @ Lavic; Lowest Point: 620 @ Amboy . Vancouver, WA or Pasco, WA-Wishram, WA-Bend, OR-Klamath Falls, OR-Keddie, CA-Stockton, CA? 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BNSF is a critical link that connects consumers with the global marketplace. Harvey and Enderlin, ND; Glenwood, Thief River Falls, and Minneapolis/St. While they have been built to provide lodging for AFHT crews, they are open to the public as well. There really are some Knowledgeable Fans out there. Feel free to fill inanything I'm missing. I spent quite a few summers in Miles City (my dad's home town) during the 1970's and heard Harlowton mentioned quite a few times, but don't recall hearing about Melstone. In February, BNSF instituted an attendance policy known as Hi-Viz, which drew immediate criticism from employees and railroad unions. Someone recently asked me how many crew changes it takes to get from Chicago to LA vs. Chicago to Seattle. I hear talk about crews having to be changed because trains are late and their time is up, that doesn't seem to go by mileage. Back in the 60's, the SP had a run out of Los Angeles to Santa Barbara, CA. > * BNSF/UP: Denver to Winter Park (Does BNSF use helpers? While they have been built to provide lodging for AFHT crews, they are open to the public as well. Amazing the mass of RR knowledge amongst the members of this forum. Allan_Love_Jr, Aug 26, 2007 #1. Men in chain gang freightservice preferred being called in McCombfor a run to Gwin, since it was farther than a run to New Orleans. Can someone in road service choosewhich pool to work in? Subscribers, sign in to access exclusive content. The dispatchers were forced to make better meets, yardmasters to get trains out of the yards better and so on. Job Location: Mandan Other Potential Locations: Mandan, ND Anticipated Start Date: 04/10/2023 Number of Positions: 20 Salary Range: Entry rate is approx. I hear talk about crews having to be changed because trains are late and their time is up, that doesn't seem to go by mileage. Remember, in the time when the basic crew agreements and the 100 mile day were originated,when after the implementation of the Hours of Service laws - those laws had a maximum on duty time of 16 hours - 16 hours for a 100 mile run equals 6.25 MPH. > > UP crew changes:> * Denver east: no idea> * Denver south: Pueblo> * Denver west: Bond, then Grand Junction> * Denver north: Cheyenne> * Pueblo south: same as BNSF, presumably, No, only one crew Pueblo to Dalhart. Knutson said he thinks the policy was implemented for several reasons. Information about the railroad through Flagstaff, Arizona The rail line through Flagstaff is operated by the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway (BNSF). CP never owned any of those ginormous tenders like the Santa Fe had to get across the arid areas they served. BNSF modified their policy on June 1. Does the UP still have a Proviso to Boone long pool? This Map of the Month appeared in theMay 2004 issue of Trains magazine. ?La Junta then Dodge City if going to Kansas CityLa Junta then Amarillo if going to Texas or New Mexico.Except AMADEN & DENAMA also change at Boise City because theydo local work. "A Train is a Place Going Somewhere" CP Rail Public Timetable. All Rights Reserved. A train in the long pool uses one less crew than if it goes to the short pool. It would mark a dramatic change to a labor contract that covers about 3,000 workers, or 60 percent of the BNSF system. Check this site for information about benefits and retirement plans. Things changed since Sept 11, 2001. Drawback for those that don't live near Clinton is the drive. Then run pools (through Clinton) to Missouri Valley (hot intermodals only), to Boone (everything else), and pools to Des Moines and Mason City. Seems I recall a map in trains a while back showing this. / KC / Ft. Madison / Chicago. Is La Junta the closest crewchange point? Some were/are longer, some were/are shorter. Kevin Knutson is a Gillette-based conductor and union leader who has worked for the railroad for over 40 years. I'm a teetotaler, so that thought is never on my mind. Use this page to find the right person at BNSF to answer your supplier questions. Whenthe pool was smaller, you had to have about 30 years in to hold it. Goodson said that if employees work on the weekends, they can earn a single point to add to their total. The Milwaukee Road in the 1970s combined orchanged some crew districts, both on the Puget Sound extension and elsewhere. They can be added if employees work during periods that are more in demand. If I recall correctly, the Miles City to Harlowtown run was one crew district which works out to 215 miles. The Super 8 was their lodging and it was set up with a computer terminal for employees to "see" the railroad and determine what their near future entailed. Like what's going on for June, when the KO Sub between Minot and Fargo isundergoing MoWwork, some trains will re-route over the Devils Lake Sub to Grand Forks (change crews at DL Switch) and then run down the Hillsboro Sub into Fargo By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our, Get our weekly newsletter delivered to your inbox. Get great snapshots of railroading history in Art Petersons newest book. I believe it was cptrainman of the "Hunter, . The Milwaukee Road in the 1970s combined orchanged some crew districts, both on the Puget Sound extension and elsewhere. The satellite view clearly shows impressions of a turntable and roundhouse across the highway from the town. Back in my road days, when we'd end up at a hotel after a very long and tiring trip, and some guy who was obviously an over-eager railfan would see us and ask us if we were railroaders, we'd always answer: NOPE! Whenever I go to the local Amtrak station I enjoy talking with the agent when he is not busy with other people, even telling him that his worst nightmare has come back to him. Hugh Cook is Wyoming Public Radio's Northeast Reporter, based in Gillette. This is via La Junta,they can't go via Trinidad. Thanks to all the responses so far--both here in the newsgroup and viaemail. That's in addition to the $3.3 billion we invested between 2013 and 2017. The Clinton-Mo Valleylong poolhandles mostly intermodal trains. Union Pacific's crew change point is Yermo, a few miles east of Barstow. Railroading is a big world filled with impressive and interesting people. Seems like I'm missing at least 1 (maybe btwn Clovis and KC?). ----------------------------------------------, BNSF Railway (Burlington Northern Santa Fe), It is currently Sun Mar 05, 2023 12:55 am, http://www.motorbooks.com/Store/Product _31803.ncm, Brightline Trains LLC (formerly All Aboard Florida and Virgin), California Commuter, Rail Transit, and High Speed Rail (HSR). Get the top stories in local and regional news, podcast updates, and much more straight to your inbox. With only one curve sharper than 3 degrees between the two points, the track alignment was well suited for 50 to 60 MPH freight running - though track maintenance may have been another story. Alaska Railfanning / My ARR Photos on Flickr. If a system map is an archaeological record of mergers, acquisitions, abandonments, and line sales, then a crew-district map is the record of all of these, plus technological change and traffic pattern change, with a great deal of law and contract negotiations mixed in. Bassano was located at almost the exact halfway point on the Sub. The crew change point on the South Transcon is Wellington Kan, Amarillo Texas Belen New Mexico Needles California Barstow, California (on some trains) Fresno, California Stockton California--also some trains change crews at Bakersfield, California Maybe others can fill in Dale Smith [ Reply To This Message ] [ Quote ] Date: 09/07/16 19:16